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I’m going to be totally and completely honest, I really didn’t think that I would enjoy this extra credit at all because i really think that this would be like a busy work type thing but it really mad might night less boring because, the movie was great, there were so many times where my mind was just like, imagine being one the parent of that child and just seeing him suffer from the medication that was actually making him more and more sick. I give the parents a lot of credit for staying so calm and collected numerous times, even though they did fight at first that is very normal because they were trying to figure out what to do with whether to move or to stay. The mother especially kept very calm as she was trying to calm Robbie down as he had a seizure. In this situation I believe that it would be very crucial to stay calm because if you don’t it could make the situation a lot worse. having the brain calm with also relax someone so that they do not have so much stress. I hope that if anyone has a child like this they make the right decision for them and make sure that they get better.
Yes, the psychological long-term affects and consequences that this family endured are unimaginable. How traumatizing do you think it is for a Mom and Dad to watch their child deteriorate without having any say in the matter. From a psychological perspective,, think of how this would effect behavior and the Mom’s choice to run with her baby……
I would like all of you to think about the perspectives of psychology, can you see the shift from neuroscience, to psychological, to behavioral, and the choices that we make??
During the movie, it just broke my heart on how Robbie’s and his family’s lives suddenly changed when Robbie was diagnosed with epilepsy. As they took Robbie to the doctors for treatments and tests, it only got worse from there. Robbie’s mother studied everything she could find on the illness to help Robbie in some sort of way. The family’s insurance didn’t cover the medical bills which put them in debt. The seizures would put the entire family in worry and in panic that Robbie’s condition would get worse and he would die. The worse factor of all was the doctors. They would always feel like they were doing the best and the right thing for Robbie and weren’t even willing to try Robbie’s mother’s solution which was a new diet. Except, the doctors were just constantly giving Robbie numerous dosages of medication in the hope that it would stop the seizures. However, the more and different medications they had Robbie take, only made epilepsy and his seizures worse. Also like Lori’s friend said and it turned out to be true, the doctors ended up treating Robbie like a lab rat. Then there was Lori’s solution that she read about how a new diet would help Robbie and his condition. Even though the doctors did not want to listen to Lori’s opinion on the problem, she changed up Robbie’s diet, which worked. After almost losing everything, it was a simple diet change that helped Robbie. The brain/body connection for me was how Robbie felt throughout this whole process. All the tests and treatments put such a strain on Robbie, himself and his family. The mind/body connection for me was if it was normal to put children like Robbie through this. If they were, these children wouldn’t even be living a fun and normal life they were supposed to have.
So from our perspectives of psychology, can you see the shift from neuroscience, to psychological, to behavioral, and the choices that we make??
Although I am usually the type of person who would rely on “professional” medical assistance, this film changed my opinion on this matter. It presented me with the reality of how doctors can be so close-minded and not always because they are ignorant or afraid to lose their profession, but because they lack the open-mindedness to accept another method. I understand the doctor’s decision to avoid Keno-therapy but I think it is more important to give your patient more space to decide what will happen to her child. I find this similar to the “vaccine” controversy, although it is overwhelmingly approved by organizations and studies that immunities do work (unlike this epilepsy case), mothers should have a right to at least voice their concerns. I also find this especially interesting because it reveals how little power parents usually have over their child when they can’t do anything to help in these situations. It gives an impression of how we are most likely to encounter similar situations like this in the future
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*As for the brain/body connections, I don’t think that these drugs that were given to him made him feel any better, in fact, I believe there was no reliable cure to epilepsy during this time. Thus, it’s kind of ethical to use the latest methods of treatment, but also questionable not to try new ones. As for the mind/body connections, it was probably more beneficial for Robby to not be traumatized by being treated so differently in correlation to his young age.
Yes,, Doctors give directives,, that is their job,,, but,, what if the directive is wrong?? This movie is an eye opener as to what parent’s may have to endure to save their children!
“First Do No Harm,” is a 1997 American made for television drama flim directed by Jim Abrahams about a family with a youngest son with severe epilepsy, unresponsive to medication was later controlled by the ketogenic diet.
The movie starts as a regular family drama where every character of family are emotionally bonded. One day, unexpectedly family discovers that their youngest son suffers from epilepsy. The family was frustrated after the family discovered that their insurance did not cover the medication. The mother studied everything she can found out about the illness after she discovered no change in medical situation of her boy. Then, she wished to take her son to Baltimore for treatment with the controversial ketogenic diet aganist the will of local doctor .Robbie’s parents were upset with local doctor for not telling them about their treatment, instead, recommended brain surgery for the boy.
During all these event a high school senior of Lori who said had a epilepsy from his young age was the motivating factor for Lory to switch into the ketogenic diet. He helped them to take the boy from local hospital of Baltimore.
After the boy was induced with the ketogenic diet seizures stopped and within the three years under regular observation of diet, the boy came back to normal life. The family was de-stressed. The end of the drama demonstrates the situation family has to face to take control up the health and welfare of their loved ones.
I honestly feel that the medical personnel within this movie feel like they’re always right and they won’t budge to try something new because they were the ones to go to medical school, not the mother, yet they might be trying their “best” to try to resolve the problem to what they know of and they didn’t inform certain things which makes me sort of disappointed. But when they denied the diet, i sort of understand as they don’t want another death and want to let the kid live. I feel like the mother is just trying to protect the son and trying to do anything she can that she approves of to try to solve this problem that the son has, but her trying to kidnap her son was honestly not the right thing to do in my point of view. But, it makes sad that the mother has to go through this and seeing her son in pain. I do believe in mind and body connections with like placebo effects but I don’t feel it always works all the time just like how surgeries and drugs sometimes don’t do their intended effects. However, I’ve heard that placebo effects helping people in terms in their health.
How traumatizing do you think it is for a Mom and Dad to watch their child deteriorate without having any say in the matter. From a psychological perspective,, think of how this would effect behavior, emotions, and the Mom’s choice to run with her baby……
To start off, I watched this movie in two parts. It was very difficult to watch, it made me feel hopeless at some points in the movie. I felt how desperate she felt when all she wanted was someone to give her an alternative, or at least good news about her son’s health. Now the brain/body connection that I made from watching this movie was more on how the drugs effected Robbie’s condition (epilepsy), and how the drugs that these doctors were prescribing were making his episodes worse. The doctors were treating Robbie as if he was a lab rat. Not realizing that all these medications that they kept changing, and adding were not focusing on his body or mind, just his brain. The mind/body connection that I made from the movie was the diet solution that Robbie’s mother had read about. When she decided to take the risk to actually have her son try it, she realized it actually worked. She started to notice that just with a simple “brain cleanse” from all the meds, and a strict healthy diet he would get better.
When looking at a greater picture, it’s hard to find an antagonist, other than the disease, and put blame on one person. The doctors at the hospital have went through years of school and practice what they were taught. Many of the medical doctors practice healing in a chemistry perspective. They heal with drugs, which are altered elements. Dr. Abbasac wanted Robbie to get well, and helped in way that she was taught in school. She was clearly by the book, and didn’t want to put him at risk with methods that she was taught, nor were proven. In the perspective of Robbie’s Mother, Lori, it’s unique because she gave birth to Robbie, which allows her to rely on her “mortherly instinct”; her body created that being. Obviously, it was unbearable for her to watch her child suffer and become and experiment for the doctors to try and figure out. Not to mention, there are not only beliefs, but results of people healing with food and diet. Lori looked into a Biolological and more holistic healing perspective. The human body is meant to function and heal itself with a proper diet. People like Doctor Peterson study healing and medicine from this perspective, relying on the fact that food should be thy healer. Both doctors wanted the same result for Robbie, but had different ways of approaching his healing due to their different medical perspectives.
I completely believe that there is a mind/body connection. I know from personal experience that the mind effects the body and vise versa. Sometimes, medication can help, but it’s not the end all be all of treatments. When i was unexpectedly and unfairly terminated from my job three years ago due to an altercation with my boss, i fell into a depression and developed anxiety. My fiance and I had just moved in together and had just purchased a fairly expensive car, and we were relying on the money we made to pay the bills. I worked in a kitchen washing pots and pans, and i didn’t really like my job, but it was enough to get by. When my boss began to treat me unfairly by throwing me on multiple different jobs at once, i asked if i could get a little help. Long story short, we got into an argument, and he fired me. Normally i would of shook it off and moved on, but after just moving out on our own and buying a car with huge car payments, i was devastated! I started feeling different mentally, as i was really irritable and got angry very easily, which caused some problems in my relationship, but i also had physical changes as well, as I stopped eating because i never felt hungry. I got so depressed that i didn’t even want to leave the house. I decided it was bad enough to go see my doctor, and she did TWO things. ONE, she put me on anti-depressant medication, which she said: “we’ll start with this one and see if it works”, not really reassuring. TWO, she made me an appointment with a psychiatrist, which took six weeks. For the six weeks, i took all of my anti-depressants (as prescribed), and didn’t notice any change in my mind or body. I started going to my appointments and felt a little better but not much. I didn’t know what else i could do to feel better, until i read somewhere that diet and exercise can help with depression. I didn’t believe it at first, but after two weeks of going to the gym and eating healthier, i felt better. I was less irritable and started to enjoy life more. Soon enough, my depression lifted and i was back to my normal self. I can’t say for sure whether it was JUST the diet and exercise that lifted my depression, or a combination of all three treatments, but it certainly made a difference.
That was very hard to watch and got me very emotional I watched it with my girlfriend and she was having an emotional breakdown it’s hard to see something like that happen because most of the times people aren’t aware of things like that going on and it made me think about what if I had kids what if I was that mother or father the immense pain and sorrow they had to endure not only to think of them but the child and what he had to persevere I’ve never had a family member go through something like that thank god but to think conditions sicknesses and other things like that are out there is absolutely horrifying I felt like I had an obligation to do something after watching this I felt inspired my this movie and it was very informative I loved how in the end the child was well but the horrible truth is not that every child survives and hats something parents and family never want to come to realize I felt like there was something more we can do and I was so scarred how doctors where able to hide this other treatment that could potentially save the child’s life from the parents they should have given them all the information for them to make that choice I love how in the movie the actors incorporated in it where part of the fasting process to completely stop the seizures and the epilepsy this movie was very sad but also informative and I would absolutely recommend people watch it as well
The movie was difficult to watch because I’ve had some instances especially where my father has been in and out of the hospital so I definitely felt for the family as one how hard it is to concentrate on everyday life when a loved one especially being a parent and your kid is the one who is suffering is really tuff. They were using little Robbie as basically a lab rat giving all these different types of tests and different type of antibiotics which he had terrible symptoms from them and there was really no cure for what he was going through. As a doctor too all she was doing was just giving him drug after drug and that’s wrong because especially at a young age your mind is developing so every time you put something that’s it’s not use to it’s just hurting it more and more where he would have become a vegetable or worse dead so my perception on this whole evaluation trying to make him better was terrible because she didn’t even do her research it took so much for the mom to actually go and do her research long nights with no sleep and she knew once she kept reading about the diet she knew there was nothing to lose but to go ahead and try it. She stayed determined. I would have done the same thing but if it was me on the other hand I would’ve have reacted a lot sooner then she did don’t get me wrong I applaud her for what she did but at the same time people tend to stand back and think a doctor always has it under control because of what type of paper they have rather then just going off instinct and making a wise decision and sticking to it.
This movie was very heart wrenching. I felt for Robbie and his family the entire time. I myself have a disease known as cystic fibrosis and know what its like being in and out of hospitals, on and off different drugs. just the hospitaliaztations alone take a tole on your family, but all the difficulty and pain this family was put through made the situation even harder. The mother in this movie knew she wanted better for her son, she knew she couldn’t keep poisioning his body with different drugs. The persistanace and drive of Robbie’s mother was amazing. She researched and found an alternative that was not 100% proven but she took the chance and made it happen. If Robbie’s mother did not take a chance and try the method she truly believed in, Robbie could still be in his sick state, in the hospital getting drugs pumped into him, facing surgery. This movie goes to show, drugs are not always the answer, there are different things out there that might be more effective. Sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands if what you believe in is not being enforced.
I completely agree with everything you have said and also knowing you’ve had a first hand glance at I commend anyone who has been through such traumatic and psychological events its amazing how persistent Robbies mother was if it was for her son might have been a vegetable or even worse dead so as a parent you always wants whats best for our kid so she understand that there might be sleepless nights but again she was determined to find a way and that’s deff mind over body because her mind was telling her body that theres no need for rest just a solution
That was a really good movie. I did not expect it to turn out that way. If Robbie was my child i would have done the same thing as the mother in the movie. In my opinion I feel as though before they use surgery they should use all natural things first. I have experienced being put on one med and needing another one to treat the side effects of the first one. So to conclude this i would be on the mothers side and if i was her i would go to the doctor that did not think it would work and tell her how successful it had been.
This movie was truly amazing, but also heartbreaking. It was so sad seeing Robbie just lying there with drugs that were useless and watching him waste away in the hospital bed. Then seeing his mother follow here intuition and bring him to Baltimore. The doctors in the first hospital were just horrible. They never said to the mother about the third option and luckily she found it herself and had people to help her. The ending was definitely my favorite. I didn’t realize that some of the actors were ketogenic dieters themselves. The movie shows that sometimes doctors don’t always know best and sometimes medicine and science doesn’t always work. I believe in the mind/body connection. Sometimes medicine doesn’t always work. And that’s where psychology comes into place. My perception about this is that medicine doesn’t work all of the time. Yes, doctors are right, but they’re also human, which makes them wrong at some things. In this case, they were wrong for leaving out that huge chunk of information that there was a third option: ketogenetic diet. Beneficially, this was the most effective for Robbie. It was amazing how much he changed once he changed his diet. Like I said, sometimes medicine isn’t the answer and a natural cure is the best.
I think it’s appropriate to believe that doctors can be right, but at the end of the day, they’re human. We “do wrong” by a default. What the doctors learned could be right, but it’s not the only practice that could be used. The doctors can be right for trying to do what they can by what they were taught. They could also be in the wrong because they don’t know exactly what should heal Robbie. They tried what they can, and it ended ho being harmful. They just view at as “side effects”; what’s normal to happen when taking these drugs. The body doesn’t treat drugs as being normal, and the side affects are the body fighting and rebelling the effects of the drugs
What a like about the movie is the way how they presented a subject that is not strange for any of us; modern medicine, it is not necessarily the only answer for our body illness, in fact, now days medicine can be seen as an money business, hospitals are more concern about Insurance than the patience itself, leaving no room for other medical alternatives. Before modern medicine our ancestors used plants as a method to heal their body and soul cos they do believe the soul and the body work together and if there something wrong with one of them, the other one would suffer, that’s why they used plants, even music as a alternative to cure a person, each plant has their specific properties, so it was possible to fins plant for the body and for the mind. With meditation in other hand, different cultures have found an answer to reach out the solution for any pain, people who immersed themselves in the mind study usually stay away from normal medicine, because they have found if you have full control your mind, you can have full knowledge of your body. The way how Dr Foreman suggested to Robin’s mother: Treated the kid as a normal and healthy boy” means, that at least she put a positive thought in her mind, there was not way her boy would feel better, she helps to her kid to recover completely because she actually believes he could do better. Someone said: Kids are the reflection of their parents, and in some circumstances if the parent feels the baby is sick is gonna get sick, but if they actually believe they baby can be fine, so it is. She was a strong minded person, and she proves how with dedication and plenty control she would take her boy out of that sickness.
Watching that movie truly shows how damaged our medical system is. That doctor would induce drug after drug and all it seemed to do was hurting Robbie ten times more and by him getting worse, so did the family both emotionally and mentally. All along she knew about this diet he could’ve gone on and instead of mentioning it and allowing the parents to choose amongst themselves, she kept it to herself because she disagreed with it. For somebody to be able to watch such a young kid go through that and also watch the family fall apart due to his epilepsy while knowing about a possible cure is disgusting. It’s unfair to Robbie that he had to go through all that agony for so long and it’s unfair to everybody who loved him, having to watch him go through a near death experience. I’m not saying that the doctor had no right to see if the drugs would work but she had no right to hold back information that could have and did, cure him. You’d think a doctor would have a little compassion and try absolutely everything to help her patient, after all, you become a doctor to assist and make people feel better not worse.
Watching this movie remind me all the bad moments that my family and I went throw. My little brother because of a very high temperature experienced epilepsy. For many years he was under medication and still experienced seizures at least twice a day. When my twin brothers were 9, my other brother experienced epilepsy seizures. Now we were used to the situation and knew all this doctors. My two brothers were under medication for epilepsy. They didn’t like taking those medicine because they said tested bad. After years of medication (at least we thought so) when my brothers were 16 their doctor said that they didn’t need medication anymore. It was then when my two brothers admit they had quit taking medication in more then a year. They didn’t want to feel different from others and the medicine tested bad. Now they are 21, haven’t had any seizures episode anymore. I think that sometimes the doctors all around the world are more focused in drugs medication. Although, I don’t think they do it because they want to harm. The doctors need to be more opened mind and share their experience with other doctors and try other kind of treatments as diet therapy and physical therapy in order to be more helpful to their patient. I believe in body-mind connection. Many people with different ensues have found more helpful non-drugs treatments and therapy than drug medication. I can’t say that I don’t believe at all at medicament cure because it has worked best at some other people. To sum up I think that what works for some people doesn’t work for some others. We are lucky to have the choices and knowledge but most people don’t..
I agree with you Silvana,
Doctors have good intentions but aren’t open-minded. Maybe changing the curriculum med school follows helps? Who ever is teaching our doctors has to be open to this mind- body connection. Sometimes not having a scientifically proven solution is the best choice for patients. Robbie nearly died trying the epilepsy drugs. If a no drug treatment works, scientist shouldn’t beat themselves to find an explanation as to exactly why the treatment worked. Instead they should share the information/experiences to colleagues so more and more scientist can become aware of the benefits of the treatment. Why rule something out that causes no harm to a patient? Instead of going for the ore invasive approach doctors would be more open to the type of procedures that use no drugs.
So sorry to hear about your siblings but I’m excited to hear that they are now doing good! I do have questions though, did your siblings who experienced epilepsy change their diet, or did they just quit cold turkey on the medicine, and the seizures eventually went away on its own? If so, that interests me to figure out why or how just quitting their medicines helped the seizures to go away.
i think sometimes doctors just use methods that might have worked in other patients. i do not doubt that they want to help and succeed but i think they need to be more open minded. in my brothers casion the doctors said that while they were developing and growing they hormones took over and fought the illness. they didn’t use any other therapy and the medicine they were using were to cure and keep the seizures under control. who knows maybe the medicine helped too.
I’m glad to hear that your brothers are doing better Silvana. I do agree with you that medication isn’t the answer for every sickness, but it also depends on the patient. As people, we are all unique, as we all perceive things differently, and what might work for one patient, won’t necessarily work for another. It’s impossible for a doctor to predict how a certain medication will effect a patient because we are all different. It’s kind of trail and error. So when Robbie was getting sicker, that doctor should of realized that the medication had a negative effect on him, and she should of sought out other alternative treatments. It’s up to the doctor to monitor the patients and to make sure that the medication they are on are doing more help than harm.
It’s so sad seeing that this actually happens to people in real life. I feel very fortunate that I live a healthy life without any problems. It’s amazing to see examples of how the mind and body work together. In some cases, your brain can be controlled without knowing. If you think negatively then your body will react with negative reactions. And vice versa. Everyone who surrounded themselves around little Robbie perceives differently, either good or bad. Dieting was the key to the mother’s answers to make Robbie’s condition calm down. The doctor kept pushing the mother to agree with the surgery but the mother had faith that there could be a possible alternative which was the diet. Who knows? The surgery could’ve affected Robbie in a more negative way than positive. For example, the mother noticed that there was another girl who had a medical condition and she spoke up to the doctors about it. She realized that she died. I’m not saying that medical help by doctors turns out to be bad because no… They do help at times. Sometimes natural remedies are the answers to your conditions.
I can’t believe this, they tortured a young boy when obviously there was another way. I’m so glad the family found another way again. The family struggled and it was sad. I cried through a lot of it.
But,, let’s think about the mind/body connection, mind over matter, the placebo effect, the natural changes that can occur by changing a diet,, what is your perception of the medical , legal, or a moms point of view?
What a truly emotional film. It’s amazing how life can turn on you that fast. I anticipated that the doctors would be able to cure Robbie. However, this was not the case. While watching the film, I wondered how many other things doctors keep from us. According to them, trying new drugs was a better alternative than the Ketogenic diet. They said that there was no scientific proof that the diet worked or not. Better yet, here they are trying new drugs that have not been proven either. How could they live knowing that their patients may have a better chance to overcome epilepsy but not try it? Yes, fasting sounds a bit cruel at first, but if it helps cure epilepsy in the long run, why not use it? It would be better than taking drugs that only make the situation worse. Now that raises a red flag. Do doctors really care about the health of their patients? What does “do no harm” really mean to them?
Remember, we cannot and do not judge an entire population based on the actions of a few,,,, we all know what that will lead to,, we have to take into consideration the motivation to save the child,, from a legal perspective and from a moral perspective,, put yourself on both sides of the fence and try to make a decision,, what would you do?? Do you believe in the mind/body connection, mind over matter?? Do you believe only in the brain/body physical connection, do you believe that a placebo or diet can cure? Different perspectives, different actions, and reactions.
I see your opinion and i also was upset with how this particular doctor handled herself, but maybe she just wasn’t trained right? Salem hospital has some amazing nurses and doctors that helped my grandmother through her stroke therapy, so i am not questioning that there has to be good doctors out there, but i do understand your anger because it is very frustrating to see the doctor in the movie, who was supposed to heal Robbie, actually hurt him more.
The movie really made me think about how cruel life can be sometimes. Robbie was one of the healthiest kids (according to his parents) and then all of the sudden he gets epilepsy. The Reimullers’ lives then starts spiraling down on then. They have no insurance, the hospital bills are adding up and after a while they have to sell off things in their houses. However, all of this was caused by the hospital’s inability to see that the drugs weren’t working. It was causing Robbie so much pain and suffering that for a second I thought he was going to die. Luckily his mom being the strong person she is, found a different way to treat Robbie, the ketogentic diet. They didn’t have any choice Robbie was going to die and they needed to try anything they could’ve to save him. At the John Hopskin hopital they gave him the instructions on how the diet worked. When Robbie started the diet it was like that ray of hope that the Reimullers needed. In just a couple of months Robbie was seizure free. It made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, because after that Robbie has been through, he stuck through it and survived. Even though the movie was sad and depressing for most of it, I personally like the movie.
I couldn’t stand that doctor the entire movie. Watching her expressionless face trying to “help” Robby the entire time aggravated me. As soon as they gave him the second drug to try and “help” him i knew they were using him as a guinea pig. I dont doubt doctors today still do this sometimes. Im not saying they all do things like that obviously, but i dont doubt some do it. Of course she was only concerned money wise. Trying to make the mother believe her son needed this and that to treat him. And just the whole situation of losing the house on top of what was happening to Robbie just added a whole other level of stress to the situation.
I feel your anger toward that doctor, she seams like she is not doing enough for Robby. She seems like she doesn’t care because Robby is not her child, he is just another kid in that hospital. She didn’t see Robby because the payment wasn’t done. She kept doing the same treatment that did to the girl that died even though she saw it didn’t work. She seems a very bad person. But i don’t think she doesn’t really care, at least she want’s to succeed. I don’t think she want’s to harm. The payment situation doesn’t depend on her, she is working in a hospital and the administration of the hospital is responsible for that. I think she does harm because of wrong belief and choose not the right cure.
I can definitely here where your coming from the whole side of how the doctor was basically mistreating her son with all these types of different drugs that they really had no answers to. Money was a huge factor but what the doctor really didn’t accept was the fact to try the diet because they really had no scientific approach on it and she didn’t do enough research on it to make herself believe that it might work so as a parent perspective the mom took initiative by researching and reading that she knew what she had to do.
Hey Michael, do you believe the doctor had malicious intent? Do you think due to her personality and experience, she comes off a certain way? Because of how we view the doctor and her mannerisms, do you think that it affects our perception of what we believe her intentions to be?
I feel the exact same way I feel Like that doctor was just using the boy and hiding information about a possible cure makes it even reassuring that she was using him as a guinea pig. The only thing i don’t understand is that at first she told the parents not to try the experimental drugs to first try all the ones proven to have a 15% chance. that would have gave me some hope in beliveing that she wasn’t trying to use him but then she was approving the use of expiremental i just don’t know why she was for it in the beginning? you guys have any clues to why she might not been for the expiremental drugs to start with
This movie really opened my eyes to the other options there are for serious illnesses or diseases that don’t include drugs. Robbie was just an innocent boy who started to have seizures, so they took him to the hospital, and to me it seemed as if the doctors almost completely destroyed him. He was on numerous drugs, and seemed almost worse than he was before he got to the hospital. It astounded me how they did that brain operation on Robbie’s hospital neighbor, and she ended up passing away shortly after the surgery. It was also heartbreaking to see the family become in debt due to Robbie’s hospital bills, and almost lose everything they had. To me, it almost seemed as if they gave Robbie drugs just to keep him at the hospital? Maybe the longer he stays in there the more money the hospital or doctors get? That is my most dramatic prediction, but i am hoping its something less sinister than that, so I’m also thinking another possibility is that maybe these doctors were not trained right? Maybe they were only taught that drugs is how you cure things so that is their outlook on every patient they encounter. What i think should happen is that every child/mother should have the opportunity to chose to start with a more healthy option, which Robbie ended up doing and it worked much better in the long run, and it also saved them tons of money. The ketogenic diet facility should have been more accessible to Robbie’s family, and not a long plane ride away, They should be everywhere such as hospitals are. I think all doctors should be trained or study the part of the field that some diet changes, can help more than popping a pill. I’ve actually seen a video a few weeks back about how America is the country that over uses drugs more than any other part of the world. They compared our methods of cure to other countries and it astounded me to see the difference in how much bigger a percentage we use drugs compared to countries who choose the more natural way of relief. I believe that we should study more illnesses to see what else could be treated by a simple diet fix, or lifestyle change instead of drug use, because the path we are on is not where we should be. We should all be given the opportunity to have the healthier option, and if that option is not right for our specific situation or condition, than we use the drugs that are recommended for us. I am not opposed to drugs, but i am also not against the no drug option either.
I agree with you saying that the doctors weren’t trained right. Doctors support the knowledge they gained in medical schools be it right or wrong. They apply on their patient what they believe and what they experience.
I agree with what she say’s but I have a different approach to it i wouldn’t say the doctors where untrained i would say that they did what they did cause to them its there medical practice and in there eyes they believe its the right thing to do but i found it unfair that they hid every option to them and the information should have been given to them so that they could make a decision by themselves on the best possible solution
You certainly make a lot of good points Thalia, and I would add the fact that they didn’t even give it an option. The doctor almost laughed when the mom told her that she was considering the ketogenic diet as a possible treatment for Robbie. Doctor’s take an oath to have their patients best interest at heart, and by just observing Robbie for a couple of months, one can see that he got progressively worse while in these doctor’s hands. If they really had Robbie’s best interest at heart, they would of done everything they could to get him to the ketogenic diet facility. This one particular doctor couldn’t set aside her own personal feelings about the medical profession to consider any other treatments for Robbie besides drugs. Personal beliefs should be kept to a minimum when deciding a form of treatment for a patient, as the patients BEST interest should outweigh any personal conflicts or endeavors.
Love the points you guys have made. I also agree with you Chris, personal beliefs should not even be in the mix of serious situations like this. Robbie’s best interest should of been her main concern, and the doctor should have noticed (it was clear as day to everyone else at least) that he needed to try something else because what thy were doing was not working in the slightest. The fact that this simple diet fix saved him should open up doctors mind, and universities around the world to look into this part of the field.
Even though i had never experience this before, but i think it was a good time for me to sit and watch this movie about Robbie’s seized. at this point is not only Robbie and his family was struggle even some of the nurse was hurt by Robbie’s seize and really ready to help the family stay strong. On my emotion of the very end of the movie was awesome with the power of the mother by doing so much research to save her son life on her own. After seeing her son in so much pain from the drugs the doctor kept on giving to him. She has step up by her own way and Robbie’s father was fighting on his own way as well. So at the end i give the mother the best feature credit for doing this to save her son life and making the others to believe on her action like (she shown she can be a better doctor than Robbie’s doctor). Although by the very end of Robbie’s mother’s reaction she was somewhat lost her mind, and also Robbie’s doctor though she was crazy. The movie proves parents can always to choose what better for their kids in real life. Finally when Robbie got transfer it was a bless for all family and friends and include his nurse who help Robbie’s mother from her pain. During the Keinogetic diet that is when Robbie started getting better, and also the all family. While Robbie taking the diet, the nurse, Milliceint continue her practice at at the Hospital Robbie has transfer now. At the end family and also reunited again once Robbie became seize free. the movie was very sad , and worth to watch during the time the seize started over Robbie, but it was a lesson learned at the same time. A movie to remember, always.
I really liked the pre end credits that featured actors in the movie who are actually on the keinogetic diet and the nurse, Millicient who is still practicing at Johns Hopkins today; it gave Robbie’s entire expieerence a much more real feeling. It was very sad watching Robbie and his family struggle to find a solution and struggle to get through each new drug. I feel bad for the mother especially, she knew Robbie was only getting hurt more and there was more solutions but no one would listen. She just had to watch her son fall deeper to the epilepsy. She handled it so well, staying calm when Robbie seized and staying calm at the bank and staying calm when the drugs were hurting Robbie. And then she began to lose hope even and accept that she was loosing her marbles instead. Until, she spoke to the receptionist at Hopkins and made the appointment. Once she made the appointment i know she was certain to get Robbie out of his pain from the drugs. It’s too bad the doctors withheld the keinogetic diet plan from Robbie’s family; however, at least he finally got there. Luckily Hopkins found a way for the doctor to examine Robbie so he could start the diet. During the fasting period the mother sort of acknowledged the conflict between mind and body. She wasn’t sure if Robbie was really doing better if it she just thought he was because she had so much faith in the diet. But she was right. Robbie instantly began to get better and his family did too. Once Robbie began to get better his body could relax and so could everyone else, bringing much more genuinely positive vibes from everyone and extreme pride watching him ride his horse in the parade. The movie was overall very dark and somewhat suspenseful but had a very good feeling ending and it was worth the watch.
So what is your opinion regarding a mind/ body connection,, is the body capable of responding and healing itself without the use of traditional medicine,, mind over matter? did this work for Arrianna? How many people could be cured with a placebo, if they really thought that it was a drug, and that the medicine would cure them? Do you believe they can be?
I loved also the ending where it showed all the people who have lived and experienced what the movie was about… and yes I truly do believe in the mind/body connection… In certain cases there is nothing we can do if your diagnosis is bad enough… but mental and natural healing to me is always the first choice before anything!! just in my opinion…
oh boy that was actually very difficult to watch… it is unfortunate that happens to many and they don’t even realize because people put doctors on a pedestal thinking they know all… That doctor wasnt worried about him getting better she was using him as a goddamn guinea pig and money maker, I wish the mom spoke up sooner I cant ever imagine watching my child suffer like that… I honestly think pharmaceuticals are controlling our country now and people are falling right for it… even as small as the flu shot… people put that crap into their body because the doctors make you believe you NEED it what a bunch of crap… the more flu shots they give out the more they get paid… I think more people should watch this movie to hopefully open up their eyes because this happens all the time!! and for the record that little boy did an amazing job…
I agree to disagree with you. The doctor may have seemed to not care about Robbie’s well being but maybe the doctor had a different perception of the treatment Robbie’s mom brought up. As we learned in class last Thursday, perception is guided by knowledge, experience and expectations. As a doctor she believes in science. This diet is out of her comfort zone and she expects for drugs to be a much better solution to Robbie’s condition. As the doctor mentioned, the diet at the time ( not sure about now in day) wasn’t an approved treatment nor was there any scientific evidence it worked. I could see as to why the doctor was weary of it. It went against all the science she knows and has experienced. This knowledge, experience and expectations of science is what I believe guided the doctor to use the drugs instead of the diet. If you take a close look at the doctor’s reaction when Robbie’s mom asks her that if it were her child ‘would she have done anything different’. The doctor just pauses and thinks about it. It could have been that if it were her child her perception of the treatment plan for epilepsy would have changed.
I agree with both of you but instead of being open to trying the diet the doctor just made the mother look crazy.
The doctor put all those requirements in place because she knew that i would be very slim to be able to meet all those requirments.
Thats a good point you brought up Marissa,
The doctor shouldn’t have made it nearly impossible for the mom to take her child to the other clinic. Especially shouldn’t have made her look crazy. The nurse even said the doctors were discussing that the mom was inadequate to take care of Robbie and they were planning to take Robbie away. That was inappropriate and the wrong call the doctor was making. Robbie needed his family support and without it he wouldn’t have made it though.
i would also have to agree to disagree i think that doctors try to the best with the knowledge they think that is right for the child but in this movie i feel like they where being presented as horrible doctors that they where trying to hurt the child but in reality these drugs have helped children but its the options that doctors have instead of surgery because they try to use every option they can there are expectations from them and they are expected to do everything they can to save a life and that can be stressful
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